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Should hip hop go back to Soul, Funk & R&b

Posted by quezzy86 
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Should hip hop go back to Soul, Funk & R&b
May 13, 2014 12:06AM
Hey folks. Do any of you miss the days when rappers used to sample
classic soul,i.e., al green, marvin gaye and willie hutch. I thin we are seeing Kanye and others go
away from that. Do you think we should bring it back to those Stax and Blue note days?
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avatar Re: Should hip hop go back to Soul, Funk & R&b
May 13, 2014 12:22AM
Welcome aboard quezzy86 !! I too love heavily sampled music . Especially soulful and jazzy samples . I hope the art of sampling stays alive , but it has gotten so expensive to clear samples..
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Re: Should hip hop go back to Soul, Funk & R&b
May 14, 2014 04:24AM
I don't think sampling is going anywhere though like jaybrown said it's getting real expensive for mainstream artists. Still, Kanye's latest album had that outlier that was the Soulful sample-based joint and he didn't even clear it properly and got hit with a suit!

Plenty of artists outside of the big label scene and public eye are still all over those same Stax and Blue Note records without clearing them though. I hope sampling never stops but I also hope producers can keep pushing forward regardless of whether or not they're using samples.
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May 14, 2014 06:51PM
Welcome to the board quezzy86!

Regarding the thread topic, bringing it back to Stax samples or soul samples or "fill in the blank"... I think it's frankly never gonna happen. We all have our favorite songs and eras for reminiscing over the sound of, no doubt, but Hip Hop is all about the sound of youth, the sound of the streets, always changing, cats reinventing the sound every day... The guys that keep it fresh with the "new stylee" are the ones making the most money. But it all goes in cycles anyways and if you wait long enough you'll hear the throwback sound worked back in. Sampling will never go away even if clearance costs more money nowadays but the sources will keep changing and people might use them more sparingly or in a completely different way.

As much as I like those samples, newer albums that attempt to "return to form" and "go back to the old school" productions can be great, but sometimes it can be cliche, or considered a clever "novelty" that wears out quickly. Hell, those albums sometimes even come off as "forced" sounding. Often those are the albums that might raise a few eyebrows from the trueschoolers but they still don't make any money cuz it's the kids who spend dough on music. Which is why Hip Hop as a business will never go back to sounding like the Golden Era because any good business, even if it's art, wants money. Saying "I wish HH will go back to anything" is a lost cause cuz HH rarely looks back. I hate to say it, but in many situations, unlike any other genre, it doesn't always understand or care about the past. What's fresh this year is ancient history next year so it's almost counter-intuitive to suggest that it should go back to any form it had in the past.

Of course, you got the true schoolers like Golden Era legends Masta Ace and Edo G who never really left any of that behind and they are still making moves, they are still doing fine, but I don't know if their fans are getting any younger. Ask any high school kid about Edo G and they'll be clueless. (cuing up Grown Man's Sport by Ini and Pete Rock)



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Re: Should hip hop go back to Soul, Funk & R&b
May 14, 2014 07:20PM
Thank you folks. I really appreciate your insight. I just like when my favorite rappers sample my parents' favorite soul and r&b singers. It's definitely a conversation starter. I think that is dope.
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