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GrandMaster MelleMel ventin'

Posted by BM31 
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avatar Re: GrandMaster MelleMel ventin'
November 13, 2012 05:39PM
Hmmm.

This one is complicated.

Melle Mel is over 50 years old. Eye start with that because, IMO, it's one of the most relevant observations to make....especially when trying to comprehend his statements. Eye have opined elsewhere how easily one becomes disconnected from the contemporary when their own interests are no longer being served. Hence, the stance regarding Hip Hop in the post-Gangsta eras.

But also being the age that he is, he's beginning to approach that phase of life that many do....where obstinence is a little more evident and, for better or for worse, how you're built in terms of worldview...how you see life...becomes increasingly less flexible. Hence, the archaic commentary on the contributions that women should be making to Hip Hop.

Then there is simply this character trait that Eye recognize all too well (pop dukes does this and ironically enough, guess who his favorite MC of all time is???)....a tendency to speak as if those you're speaking to have the same base to reference and therefore, should understand all that is being said. As a consequence, statements are made that would appear to be ill conceived or, lacking substance and credibility; particularly to those who may not have all the points of reference requisite to identify context.

Stepping out from behind the political correctness of the current climate we live in, Eye heard what he was saying...and understood the context of some of things he didn't say but were implied. He invoked some heavy concepts but, unfortunately was not in the appropriate forum, nor using the appropriate medium for the ideas he was trying to articulate. The conversation he was trying to have was not suitable to the sound byte factory that is commercial radio. Some of the topics he was addressing (the conscious state of Black America; the effect of commercialism and geo-culturalism in Hip Hop; etc.) are better served when adequate time and preparation are afforded. The most eloquent of speakers could only touch on these subjects at a surface level given the same platform.

And that's where this really comes into focus for me. For as eloquent as his body of work has proven him to be at times, in the end...by his owm admission...he's simply a voice of the streets. He was speaking IN the voice of the streets during this interview. He wasn't at a round table or think tank or seminar or conference, where other individuals with similar and opposing ideas was pressing him to expound on his ideas. Nor was he sitting at home with a pen and a pad writing these thoughts out, where they could be edited for clarity. He was just a cat from the street who watched a sub-culture that he helped pioneer and a larger culture that he was living in evolve into what they are today....being asked to comment on what he has observed. It may not seem like it to some but, 1973 was long time ago. In the immortal words of Biggie..."things done changed". Clearly, he's passionate about the changes he's seen. But passion aside, how much justice can you do to 40 years of cultural evolution in an 8 minute sound byte?

To say that Eye agree or disagree with the vast majority of what Eye heard would be empty without hearing his concepts flushed out a bit. The direction he went in with women is probably the most obvious place where Eye would say that it's unlikely that we would agree even after stating his case. He got caught up going down a particular path but, certainly he's familiar with the works of a Queen Latifah or a Bahamadia or even Salt n Pepa. He might be inclined to adjust his position accordingly but, clearly he has some sexist leanings.

Overall, Eye understood, generally, the context of what he was saying....Eye just wish some of things he was trying to address had been done in a more suitable environment.
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avatar Re: GrandMaster MelleMel ventin'
November 14, 2012 12:54AM
I have read this a couple of times and completely understand the aspects of your view stated accordingly,Eyez.
It is a very good thing to have debate in society because it leads to solutions and common ground.
I hope more people like yourself and the other members of our fam will step inside here and help us to enhance our spectrum of view.That said, on this particular occasion I am going to have to respectfully disagree.Which as you know,Eyez is a rare thing.

Because of which, there are not too many people here or from down the dial that have enjoyed
your intellectual eloquence, your manner of speaking, your utmost respect for others,
your love for the game,more than me.I spent many hours reading your statements and opinions over the years and it has truly been a privilege,my brother.

Here,I simply feel that brothers like Mel and fellas our age and with our experience,
should be held at a higher standard.There is too much the blind eye of negativity that thrawts our opportunities to reach the broader audience.With the mission of mutual understanding in order to go forward, instead of going back.

Respect should be a common virtue for all of us..In my humble opinion,my brother..
there is no venue,no interview format,no medium,
no situation,etc..that can excuse a person from disrespect.
Dignity is something that all the money in the world cannot buy..
yet you do not need to have a dime in your pocket to have.

To me,this was a missed opportunity,
He clearly has the intellect,the where with all,the articulation,etc.
Who is better at words than Mel?
Not many people I know.I feel he had to do better than this.
That of which is an understatement.


Peace, my brother
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avatar Re: GrandMaster MelleMel ventin'
November 14, 2012 05:41PM
Respect due, Beatmeister! Eye appreciate the kind words and you know the admiration is mutual. You have bore witness for those of us who did not happened to come up in the cradle of the culture. You have laid it down with authority, not just because you have the authentic experience but, because you have always kept it funky.

In that same spirit, Eye say this.....in this day and age, Eye think society (or at least, American society since we have an international audience) is caught up in a giant contradiction. One the one hand, largely due to the 24 hour news cycle and the instant access to information, we now live in a time where there is so much focus on "political correctness". Yet, if you observe what passes for entertainment these days, there has never been a time in this country's history more extreme in terms of sex, violence, profanity, etc.. As the Blastmaster, KRS-One once queried, "why is that?"...

IMO, it's because most people are not truly concerned with making the social climate better; people are afraid of litigation and/or scandal. As a consequence, there is a tendency to tip-toe through certain areas of public life, so as not to wake any sleeping dogs for fear of getting bit. However, you can turn on the television or go to the movies or surf the web and find things that would defy any reasonable logic if trying to match the popularity of extreme content to the damn near puritanical posture of society at large.

So, where does Mel's rant fit in all of this?

From my vantage point, he's as caught up in the contradiction as most of us. He's railing against social decay, both in the black coumminty and in the culture of Hip Hop. Yet, the manner in which he expressed his opinion is reflective of that very decay. There was a day where you couldn't have cracked the mic (anywhere...recording studio, radio, television, etc.) and spit that many expletives and epithets without the FCC, the news, the law, the government and everybody else raining hellfire down on your head....but, here's the thing....today ain't that day.

That interview was apparently being recorded for the website AllHipHop.com, which means it was not on terrestrial radio....translation: anything goes in terms of freedom of speech...just like satellite radio. Although, truth be told, you can tune to Hot97 (the biggest terrestrial Hip Hop station in the country) and hear the "N-bomb" dropped all day, every day.

Mel spoke in the language of the streets, unfiltered....Eye suspect, not just because that's his background but, because that's the order of the day in contemporary Hip Hop (not to mention, reality TV, and a host of other forms of entertainment).

Now it just so happens, that you and Eye agree on the notion that, as elders and veterans, we have a responsibility to represent the culture in a manner that helps build it up. Also, as gentlemen and civilized human beings, Eye think there is a certain appreciation we share for the ability to express oneself with effectiveness without having to resort to the profane and abusive. In that latter respect, Mel's rant was more of a disappointment than anything for me.

You have seen how Eye have expressed myself over the years but, that's mostly a stylistic choice. Other people have other styles....but, the key is not to confuse style for content. Once you remove the profanity from his rant, you're left with some heavy concepts he's addressing. Trying to give thought to those concepts raises many more questions...which is why Eye said, not right space for it; too big of a package for such a small box. But unfortunately, many people simply won't get that far because of his stylistic choice....the profanity will be the only thing they hear...or, the hostile nature of profanity will put the audience on the defensive, which in turn, inhibits objectivity.

On the subject of what happened to Hip Hop after it migrated to the West, he has valid points. He may be too broad and dismissive regarding the current state but, that's common with many cats from his (our) generation of this culture. That's been discussed many times elsewhere, so I'll move on...

On the subject of the general direction of the Black community on a whole, Eye felt he spoke more out of emotion than fact but, having lived through the period of change that he referenced, Eye understand the underlying context of his assertion. That said, that subject would require far more discussion to assess his specific reasoning and whether or not Eye agree.

On the subject of women's contributions to the culture, as Eye stated in the prior post...he went down a road that exposed some clear signs of sexism. That, Eye can say fairly assuredly, would be a point of discord for me.

In the end my brother, what I'm saying is that you and Eye probably agree on the thought that how he expressed himself was not how either of us would expect someone of his cultural stature to roll. However, Eye am not inclined to let my disappointment in his manner preclude me from acknowledging the weight of his context.
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avatar Re: GrandMaster MelleMel ventin'
November 14, 2012 05:46PM
interesting perspective, Eye. respect.


I'm under the belief that you sometimes have to tear things down to build it (back) up...however, it's counter-productive if you tear things down just out of, spite...out of frustration....out of anger....out of resentment - and, then don't build bridges....




peace.
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avatar Re: GrandMaster MelleMel ventin'
November 14, 2012 08:25PM
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uptownkid
I'm under the belief that you sometimes have to tear things down to build it (back) up...however, it's counter-productive if you tear things down just out of, spite...out of frustration....out of anger....out of resentment - and, then don't build bridges....

You got that right, seemed like he burnt every bridge in the book in that rant. The anger and resentment was beyond evident, probably because, like a lot of trueschool inovators, he never got (or gets) the respect he deserves and unlike a lot of the new talent out there he doesn't have a lot of cash to show for it. The 'I shoulda got mine better so fuck the world' approach.

I'm surprised the two women there put up with that as long as they did, they were biting there tongues to some of the sexist shit he was saying.



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