You know you guys tied the whole thread together with the last few post.Vamo mention the Rudy Van Gelder stamp on the Bobby Hutcherson album and RC mentioned Mingus in the end.Mingus hated Van Gelder,he refused to be recorded by him.Van Gelder hollowed out the sound and used alot of reverb.You know Mingus was not having that.I'm very familiar with the Van Gelder sound as to he was the engineer at CTI for some time.Verve,Impulse and CTI records were my main get down back in the day.They signed artist that changed the sound and structure of the jazz we were used to hearing.Thay ushered in the development of the smooth jazz sound years before it became commercially popular.

^Interesting. I really like the rich sounds coming out of CTI Jazz under his wing. I'm not a fan of smooth jazz either.
Interesting, I guess I shouldn't find it too surprising that Jazz musicians can have "beef" with other sound engineers due to artistic differences. Although in my ear, I thought the sound he produced was anything but "hollow", reverbed definitely though.

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The amount of material that Creed Taylor and Van Gelder put out is just amazing, sooooo many jazz classic under their collective belts.

RC,I was using an old school term in saying "Hollowed out" referring to when a person's original sound is changed.
Due to time,production,artistic differences,etc.Not using it as a term defining the richness or fullness of the recording itself.

I kinda fell in between in my jazz likings.I don't really get into the Mingus and Coltrane type stuff.Too moody and reminds me of my father and uncle and them's times.I grew up during the developmental stages of changing the structure of the art.Before the outright commercialization of the genre to make it palatable for radio play.Case and point listen to some early Benson and then listen to his later stuff.It's like it was two different people.Same thing for early Weather Report with Jaco Pastorius,Eumir Deodato,early Spyro Gyra also.They gravitated their sound to what sold instead of what they probably wanted to lay down that was refused by the powers that be.

That said,I guess you can put me in the 1967 -1977 years fan of the genre.It was that short period of time when the messages were meaningful and the music was full.

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RC,I was using an old school term in saying "Hollowed out" referring to when a person's original sound is changed.

Ah, I see. Yeah, anytime you mess with the original tapes, you can't always get that back. I'm sure back in the day their were masters left untouched but how long do those sit around. Nowadays, with digital everything, you back up your original wavs, duplicate them and mess with the clone, the master is still unharmed, problem solved. Sometimes I think we take that for granted nowadays how easy it is compared to back then.

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